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Dlan
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To trap the maker?

Unread post by Dlan » Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:20 pm

No matter how it's played, the outcome will be the same, but the goal is to try and fool the maker into making a mistake.

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Wes (aka the legend)
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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:04 pm

Dlan wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:20 pm
No matter how it's played, the outcome will be the same, but the goal is to try and fool the maker into making a mistake.

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I agree with the OP that the dealer should falsecard the enemy but that's a very minor mistake that frankly doesn't really matter much in the long run due to the fact that this ploy or parlor trick if you will really only has a chance to trick beginners. Most players play so conservatively always afraid of getting euchred. No parlor trick can get them to accidentally euchre themselves. I play 500-1,000 games per month and I can't recall the last time this ploy worked.

The bigger more meaningful mistake is the dealer discarding incorrectly. The dealer needs to read the hand and plan ahead better.

First off when S1 goes alone the dealer should immediately be able to deduce this is a bad beat spot for S1 and given that the dealer has 2 sure tricks he should be thinking about playing for the euchre. Well the key to the dealer getting that critical 3rd trick is to keep the offsuit S1 is least likely to have.

Given that S1 went alone in hearts he is more likely to have black offsuits than diamond offsuits. For example S1 can have AcJc for his offsuit but he can't have AdJd for his offsuit as the Jd is a heart. So given that S1 is statistically more likely to be void in diamonds S4 MUST keep the Qd and get rid of the Qc.

If the dealer correctly discards he gets the euchre. So the claim, "No matter how it's played, the outcome will be the same" is actually false.

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Unread post by irishwolf » Wed Jan 05, 2022 5:32 pm

That is correct Dealer should know S1 has both JJ and the rest is guess work except that he must be void in Next.

But he (Dealer) or she played his cards wrong. First card to play is the 9 or 10 then play the AH the card S1 ordered. He did not do that in this hand (played 9H & 10H to the Bower leads) if he wanted to fool the runner. And that might have worked! This how WOCG always works. Just another of those typical OPPOSING hands from WOCG.

So we have two critical mistakes.

IRISH

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Unread post by RedDuke » Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:35 am

Dlan wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:20 pm
No matter how it's played, the outcome will be the same, but the goal is to try and fool the maker into making a mistake.

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Actually, there was a pretty good way to get a euchre here. As Wes and irish both pointed out, the dealer can be pretty confident that the maker has both bowers. He's also almost certainly got a third trump and the dealer knows that it's the 9H based on his own hand!

The dealer should try and void himself in whatever the maker's offsuit is. Admittedly, he cannot be certain of that but it's statistically more likely to be a black suit than next. Thus, dealer should have discarded his QC and kept the QD. The maker won't try to lead the 9D on trick 3 because he knows that the dealer has the ace so he'll lead his offsuit. At that point, dealer can trump it, lead a trump on trick 4 (which he knows will win since he has the boss trump). On trick 5, lead to the maker's void.

Irish said that dealer should have played the AH that he picked up on trick 2 against the maker's left. I agree that he should have done that in order to trick the maker into thinking that he only had two trump but it wouldn't have made a difference in this hand. The dealer would have euchred the maker pretty easily if he would have discarded the correct queen.

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