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Unread post by LeftyK » Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:22 pm
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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:57 pm
There are many circumstances but I'm just gonna talk about this hand. S3 made an expert play. Scratch that. I don't think it's an expert play becuz most experts would screw this spot up. The better term would be world class play.
Unread post by jspectre » Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:12 pm
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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:35 pm
In my experience expert players know to trump their P's Ace in this spot with say the Ace of trump or a lone Left, and other trump--if they don't theyre not experts--but they will incorrectly hold onto the lone Right hoping the AC walks for the instant euchre. That's what's world class about this play: knowing you need to burn the Right on your P's Ace. This play and level of skill is extremely rare. For example I don't recall ever seeing this play at my tournament and I can't recall the last time I've seen this seen this play on the app.jspectre wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:12 pmWes, it's good to see you back! Now, I must say that I find it curious you would call this a "world class play" from 3rd, because it just seems incredibly obvious to me? Even if you aren't thinking about how many trump the dealer has, you simply have to know the odds that the dealer having to follow suit in both of your partner's aces is slim, and you have great odds of securing a euchre by trumping the 2nd trick, and leading back a tripleton next suit.
Unread post by jspectre » Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:46 pm
Well, if the end result here is that I'm simply world class, I won't protest, but an expert player should absolutely be trumping here with the right, and the tripleton next suit just makes it that much more obvious, because there's only 2 possible cards in that suit still in play. But even without having that, securing the 2nd trick and denying the maker an opportunity to lead trump, and then leading through him, is a very powerful tactic, and very likely gives your team the best chances to secure a euchre. Anyone who just lets this ace go by and misses a golden opportunity can't call themselves an expert. I don't even need the math to know which play has a higher chance of succeeding.Wes (aka the legend) wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:35 pmIn my experience expert players know to trump their P's Ace in this spot with say the Ace of trump or a lone Left, and other trump--if they don't theyre not experts--but they will incorrectly hold onto the lone Right hoping the AC walks for the instant euchre. That's what's world class about this play: knowing you need to burn the Right on your P's Ace. This play and level of skill is extremely rare. For example I don't recall ever seeing this play at my tournament and I can't recall the last time I've seen this seen this play on the app.jspectre wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:12 pmWes, it's good to see you back! Now, I must say that I find it curious you would call this a "world class play" from 3rd, because it just seems incredibly obvious to me? Even if you aren't thinking about how many trump the dealer has, you simply have to know the odds that the dealer having to follow suit in both of your partner's aces is slim, and you have great odds of securing a euchre by trumping the 2nd trick, and leading back a tripleton next suit.
Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:24 am
I agree 100% with what you said, and that's how I approach euchre and poker. Constantly studying the game and building up that library of spots where you know exactly what to do becuz you've been there before through play + study and thus you can execute quickly. In poker it's even more critical to execute quickly since any sincere pause gives away information that one's opponents can possibly exploit. I'm certainly no genius. I screw up in novel situations all the time, but once I study a spot, master it, and put it in the library it's there forever and I won't mess it up again.irishwolf wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:31 pmWes might be giving me too much credit (I was at S3) because good players do not have to wait and analyze because they have been there before. What to do comes in 1/2 second (for real). In psychology of studying 'expert play' it has been shown that experts rely their 'working memory' that quickly sorts through similar situations as to what should be done.
I won't go into details of the study of 'expert play' which has been done for chess (and other topics too) has been researched extensively. So are experts gifted or does it come with deliberate practice. The answer, deliberate study and practice to build that library of situational play. But it's real!
So I was detailed just so you might know the workings of my mind on that play. It was fun to watch it play out on trick 3. I said to my partner, you have to post that one!
Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:32 am
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