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Unread post by Tbolt65 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:08 pm
Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:31 am
Strongly disagree with this assessment. S1 has JJX + a boss card + a loser, and with the lead his opponents could easily save the wrong suit in the end. Gotta go alone on this one, especially down 8-4.
Unread post by Tbolt65 » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:47 pm
Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Sun Jun 13, 2021 3:29 am
Eric Zalas' work indicates that going alone with even a 9 loser is the right play from S1 but not from S4. Having that lead is critical becuz the enemy is more likely to guess wrongly. The Eric Zalas hand type I'm referring to is the 4 trump + a loser 9 variety, so not the same hand as this one, but it's reasonable to extrapolate from that hand to this hand given that this hand really only has one loser also and critically we have the lead. At the very least, the similar but non-analogous data we have on this spot suggests we need to be open to the possibility that going alone with this hand is better than calling at any score save 8/9. Worst case scenario it's going to be extremely close and when it's that close the score should be the tie breaker. Being down 8-4, we gotta pull the trigger here IMO.
Tbolt65 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:47 pmYou usually want to play for two in nearly 100 precent of the time to maximize points. Being down -3, -4, -5, -6 points or more IS NO JUSTIFICATION or excuse to try loners. It's the faulty logic of well I gotta try to catch us up. Being steady will often prove better and more consistent +2 points then the magical 1 out of 50(not proven but to show emphasis) times you might get that +4. And With those loser 9-10 and even Jack off suits. You'll get plus two more often than those loners.
Cool story bro.Tbolt65 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:47 pmSo many times in the past I've tried these loners twice in a game to get back in the game and I only get 1 point where I possibly could have gotten two. That's a big point differential in what your giving up by not potentially getting two each time. Like I said before it add's up.
There are better situations and scenario's to try to make skimpy loners, I already named one above. There are others.
In this hand I knew better and I let emotion and the glory get in the way of sound thinking and years of experience.
Tbolt65
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Unread post by Tbolt65 » Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:00 am
Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:36 am
I'm not confusing ANYTHING. Your reading comprehension needs some work. I'm extrapolating from a non-analogous hand. But that non-analogous hand--4 trump+offsuit--has 2 key things in common with the hand in this thread: In both cases the person going alone 1) has the lead and 2) only has one loser card. We have hard data showing us that going alone from S1 with 4 trump + a green 9 loser is the correct play. From that data I would surmise that going alone with JJX + boss + a green 10 loser from S1 is also the correct play.
The above is just a bunch of nonsense gibberish. Either we have hard data or we don't. In the case of the hand in question we don't, so it's just your opinion vs my opinion and others are free to chime in with their opinions.Tbolt65 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:00 amAlso, just because you don't know or can't prove or even begin to surmise what may or may not be correct doesn't mean others haven't tried to figure it out or to postulate. If you don't try you will never know. This goes with anything. Believe me I've have tried plenty, I have failed plenty. I have tried some more. That's how I work things out. That's how I get better. I don't use a calculator to double check my math. I am either wrong or right. IF it get it wrong I go see what makes it right or better or more likely to be better . There are many, many area's where it's so slim, that either way could be played but I like to error on the side that get's more points, more often or reduces the euchre's more often. Not to say I don't get euchred thats not the point the point is I'm trying to maximize the long run and situational spots at the same time.
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