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Tbolt65
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5-28 hand #2

Unread post by Tbolt65 » Sat May 29, 2021 2:01 am

"Missed it by that Much" - Maxwell Smart

Almost a euchre but maker get's a point, barely.

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Wes (aka the legend)
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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Sat May 29, 2021 5:02 am

Tbolt65 wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 2:01 am
"Missed it by that Much" - Maxwell Smart

Almost a euchre but maker get's a point, barely.



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S1 should lead from 3 in this spot, lead the AD. An aggressive player just ordered up the Right. There's a great chance he only has R+1. Especially given what S1 holds. S1 leading trump can easily cause havoc to this marginal holding. IMO that's the lead that gets the most euchres in this spot but I can't prove that. In the actual hand, leading trump does lead to a euchre.

As played. S1 trumping high on trick 3 is a large mistake. There's no reason to do that. S1 needs to handread better. Remember what happened on Trick 1 & 2. On trick 1 S2 trumps in and then doesn't lead trump to his P. This means S2 is most likely out of trump which is what S1 should expect anyways given that he started with 3 trump and yet S4 still liked his hand enough to call anyways. There's only so many trump to go around here. So S1 should be trumping low in this spot knowing he doesn't have to worry about getting overtrumped. If S1 correctly trumps low in this spot the euchre is secured.

As played, after S1 incorrectly trumps high on trick 3 due to a handreading mistake he then makes a logical mistake by leading his high trump instead of his low trump on 4th street. S1 needs to realize that IF his P has no trump, he can't euchre the maker no matter what line he takes and if the maker has both bowers he obviously can't euchre him no matter what line he takes. The only line that leads to a euchre is when the maker has exactly QdJd and S1's P, S3 has the Left, and then S1 leads low and S3's Left pushes out the maker's Right for the euchre. Since leading high can never lead to a euchre, and only leading low can, S1 should always lead low in this spot.

S1 had 3 different opportunities to euchre the maker in this hand and literally struck out.

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Unread post by irishwolf » Sat May 29, 2021 10:14 am

North, trumps too high on trick 3, big mistake. WHY? Because he should know that only the JH & QD are unknown to him. So why use such a high trump on trick 3 as the JH if held by S2 will over any of his trumps. A critical clue is, S2 did not lead trump so he must be out or has the Left not the QD.
If you are going to euchre the Dealer, you must take that chance. Statistically, and this is just a probability call. The dealer void with 3 trumps unknown at the start is 35% and has just one other is 47%. And that queen will cover your 9D at the end if he has it. But this shows that players make mistakes. When you have em on the Ropes . . .

I like leading trump to the first trick but not necessarily is it always the best strategy with two off suit losers. Leading trump, you will only get one chance to hit your partner and it gives the Dealer an advantage when the Right is at the dealer. Great move if the dealer has no off suit aces, tho.

S3 if he leads the JH to trick 3 would not have also done the trick. It's a toss up as S1 would have had to have a doubleton off suit to pull off the euchre.

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