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Tbolt65
Edward

What theory? The only thing I postulated when breaking down this hand and giving my thoughts is that this is a bad play period. Even if you consider weak players and you want to protect your team and confident you can come back. You are still putting yourself and your team in a BIG hole. Too much so.justme wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:00 pm Absolutely pure luck! Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes. East/west is in a tight spot but making a call which inevitably will set them back 9-6 (with deal) is simply dreaming, not good euchre. Seat 1 traded his reasonable opportunity for a loner attempt away for a high expectation of a 6-9. While seat 1 could never justify his call to me, there would be accolades for seat 3 from me if he had been the one to have ordered the nine here. The hero here is seat 3's cards.
Edit: Tbolt65 - I'm not confortable with the "weak" player theory because the alternative here that seat 1 could pass would be the "weak" players option also. And the result would have been the same, one pt. One could say the weak call here is the order from seat 1.
From the get go you and i were in agreement that the order by seat 1 is a bad play. PERIOD.Tbolt65 wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:54 pmWhat theory? The only thing I postulated when breaking down this hand and giving my thoughts is that this is a bad play period. Even if you consider weak players and you want to protect your team and confident you can come back. You are still putting yourself and your team in a BIG hole. Too much so.justme wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:00 pm Absolutely pure luck! Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes. East/west is in a tight spot but making a call which inevitably will set them back 9-6 (with deal) is simply dreaming, not good euchre. Seat 1 traded his reasonable opportunity for a loner attempt away for a high expectation of a 6-9. While seat 1 could never justify his call to me, there would be accolades for seat 3 from me if he had been the one to have ordered the nine here. The hero here is seat 3's cards.
Edit: Tbolt65 - I'm not confortable with the "weak" player theory because the alternative here that seat 1 could pass would be the "weak" players option also. And the result would have been the same, one pt. One could say the weak call here is the order from seat 1.
I said,
"Hmmm, Generally down 6-7, you really don't want to donate to 9. Making it 6-9 not your favor. You get the deal but you put your team at a SEVERE disadvantage. The other team is free to take chances now. They have control of the game and are free to donate liberally. That's a lot to over come. Especially in a tough game. Almost too much in my opinion. Against weak players its debatable but mistakes don't cost as much but with that said its still a great deal to overcome. Even in games where the opponents are very weak"
Hope that makes it crystal clear for you.
Tbolt65
Edward
irishwolf wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:28 am Reality of it (four of a kind). 1 in 10 coming back to S1, that is about right.
About 1 in 5 you make a point or they get one point. 2 in 5 they get a sweep and 2 in 5 they get four points. Like Ed says, pick your spot and be smart about it. Agreed.
It's a bad donate imo. No way to justify donating down 7-6 most likely putting your team down 9-6 vs a 9 no matter what your cards are. The only time to even think about donating when at a score like this is vs a Jack upcard imo and even then I wouldn't do it unless I had no trump + no aces, and I'm far from sure even that's a good decision. If Irishwolf is right that there are indeed +EV donates out there, then those are the only donates that should be utilized in this spot. I highly doubt there are any +EV donates vs a 9.Tbolt65 wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:48 am ..........there's always special situations to go against the grain.
If I lose to a loner on at 6-7. I've come to a term of acceptance of it. If it happens it happens. if not , so be it. Because too many times I feel you will be hurting yourself in the long run. Could one do it at a time like a one off?? Sure. Constantly?? No. I've done stuff one off before that I don't normally do and it pays off. If you play in situations where your gambling too much you'll hurt your chances of winning constantly. You just have to know when and pick your spot. Just be smart about it.
Tbolt65
Edward