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LeftyK
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would you call the right up here? s2r1

Unread post by LeftyK » Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:45 pm

I know I would and in fact I did the opposite from s2 by holding just the right and off aces later on in the proceedings.....
But this hand the dealer would just get the right. I think it's a wasted scoring chance and one of the things I've learned is "don't pass up a callable hand".

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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:34 am

LeftyK wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:45 pm
I know I would and in fact I did the opposite from s2 by holding just the right and off aces later on in the proceedings.....
But this hand the dealer would just get the right. I think it's a wasted scoring chance and one of the things I've learned is "don't pass up a callable hand".

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If your partner is competent, I.E. he's calling with just R+1 unless he has all suits blocked, then I'm definitely passing with S2's hand, hoping my P has a loner. Even in a tough game this loner can get through as it's not that easy for S1 to donate when up 7-6, and regardless of the score even an aggressive donater still has a healthy range of unguarded hands he's not donating with.

If you pass how often will your P have at least 1 more trump:

To get that answer take his total possible range (18C5 = 8,568) minus the part of his range that has no trump (4C0 x 14C5 = 2002) = 6,566 combos. Then divide that by total possible combos: 6,566/8568 = 76.63%

So given your exposed hand and the JC upcard, a competent dealer is calling approx 76.63% of the time. There's other hands an aggressive dealer can find a call with, with just the Right and no other trump. R+2 aces that only blocks 1 out of 3 suits (60 combos), R+a non-tripleton AH that blocks nothing (76 combos) or R+a singleton AS that blocks only Next (35 combos). And it looks like there's 13 combos of euchre hands he could pass, so that's a call rate of around 6724/8568 = 78.48%

Bottom line: a good P is not passing that often with the Jack upcard and those times your S2 call catches the bottom 20ish% of his range that would've passed your team can easily get euchred, and then there's the game winning loners your order will block. So yeah, if I trust my P I'm passing. If my P is an unknown then I'm calling because your standard rec player is passing R+1+0 (I can't let that happen) and they're not going alone as often as they should thus lowering the chances my S2 call blocks a loner.

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Unread post by Dlan » Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:50 am

Wes (aka the legend) wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:34 am

If your partner is competent, I.E. he's calling with just R+1 unless he has all suits blocked,
See my post of Mar 18th
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