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S1 called reverse next. With a reverse next call, there's always a pretty high probability that the enemy will have more trump than you do. His hand was arguably a bit weak for a reverse next call. He was hoping that the opposition would misplay the hand and burn all their boss trumps on that ace lead, which they did.With the lead in the wrong spot putting S1 in an uncomfortable semi-squeeze situation, plus the good possibility that S2 can still have more trump given that S3 showed void in trump on the first lead, S4 should try to create a situation where S1 gets overtrumped.
This is off subject but what you wrote reminded me of a working hypothesis I go with. This has to do with scenarios where S1 calls and we are in S2 with R+1. IMO, when S1 calls next and leads it we SHOULD NOT play under with our R+1 unless we have precisely R+Ace in trump. Too often playing under in that spot allows S3 to grab a key trick to save his team. I can't tell you how many times my BS next calls were saved by S2 playing under with his R+1. I don't have definitive proof but I'd bet a lot of money I'm right on this. The mentioned exception is when S2 has R+Ace. Now I play under with the ace. It's just too tempting to try to grab that first trick with the Ace and still have the boss trump in my pocket to use as I wish. This play really only burns me when S3 has an unguarded Left, but often times the Left will be in the makers hand.RedDuke wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:20 am S2 made a huge mistake as was correctly pointed out by Wes. S1 crossed the river and then led the Ace of Trump. The dealer turned down a black card. That plus crossing the river means that there's a pretty high chance that the dealer holds the other red jack. S2 should have played second hand low here and let the dealer take the trick with the right. That would leave S2 with the boss trump, setting up the maker to be euchred. If all the dealer has is the right, then overtrumping the maker on the first lead could very well result in your team burning all their boss cards.
I would disagree that this hand is arguably a bit weak for a reverse Next call. Yeah it's marginal but we still have 3 trump + an off ace. This hand still scores a point alot and passing should be out of the question when we only block 1 out of 3 suits. BTW even without the off ace I still think this hand is a must call. We still have 3 trump, and the cost of passing is high in this spot. The gamble is worth it.RedDuke wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:20 amS1 called reverse next. With a reverse next call, there's always a pretty high probability that the enemy will have more trump than you do. His hand was arguably a bit weak for a reverse next call. He was hoping that the opposition would misplay the hand and burn all their boss trumps on that ace lead, which they did.
Yep, if the maker plays the hand well he will make the point no matter what his opponents do. The problem is with the way S2 and S4 played this hand, the maker didn't even have to play it well to score a point. Like I said before, when you put pressure on humans to play well, mistakes will happen. Even the best players will make some mistakes when you constantly force them to play perfectly. That's why it's important to always think about every play you make in a hand. There should be a reason behind every lead one makes on defense. Nothing should be done randomly.RedDuke wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:20 amS1 got really lucky here that S2 screwed up. If he would have thrown under that Ace, his team would have had the best chance of securing a euchre. Admittedly, the maker probably still would have made a point here since the enemy was weak in hearts too but still.