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Unread post by Dlan » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:39 pm
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Unread post by LeftyK » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:49 pm
Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:06 am
Yeah I threw away the KH one street too early. Should've thrown it away on 3rd street (IOW on the AS lead). That said, whether I throw away the KH on 2nd street or 3rd street, that correlates heavily with me not covering hearts, which means my P should not be leading a heart on 4th street. He should lead his diamond instead.
Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:33 am
Actually it would be unfair to say my P misplayed this hand. In this kind've spot where the S1-R2 maker is double leading boss trump and then and off ace, the only way he has a chance of getting euchred is if his off Ace gets trumped by someone (S2 or S4) who has 3 trump. Since S4 doesn't have 3 trump in this spot, his job, I.E my job, is to hold to my suited ace (ADXD) til the last 2 streets hoping to pick up the last 2 tricks those times S2 trumps in on 3rd street and has no where to go.Wes (aka the legend) wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:06 amYeah I threw away the KH one street too early. Should've thrown it away on 3rd street (IOW on the AS lead). That said, whether I throw away the KH on 2nd street or 3rd street, that correlates heavily with me not covering hearts, which means my P should not be leading a heart on 4th street. He should lead his diamond instead.
Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:14 pm
Unread post by LeftyK » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:02 pm
Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:23 pm
That's a completely different dynamic. Whenever a team has 1 trick in on defense and a partner has taken control of the hand with a boss trump--or possibly boss trump--lead to clean out the enemy for the 2nd trick, the other P should ALWAYS play the suit he is covering on that clean-out lead to tell his P where to go next. In this spot there is no reason to hold to a suited ace. Your team gets 2 points on a euchre whether you get 3 tricks or 4 tricks. So your P should tell you right away what suit he's boss in. So when you took control of the hand, and your team only needs one more trick for the euchre, the suit your P played on THAT lead--hearts--is the suit you must lead next.LeftyK wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:02 pmBut in the other here was the entire hand in essence. me: S1R1 score 7-9 (their lead) the dealer who is RHO has the right as the upcard but S2 calls it into his hand. I lead my middle trump (I held AQ10) and have a two tiny 3 suited hand (10H,9S. On 3rd trick I took control but tricks were 2-1 our favor and my partner tossed a 9H. Trumps were all gone at this point and I know the tiny suited card I play will determine the euchre with almost certainty. had I played the 10H my P had the ace and it would have been 9-9 my deal.....the point is I still thinks it's a guess all the way 50/50 in those situations.
Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:29 am
Here's a classic example of the above hand reading concept:Wes (aka the legend) wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:23 pmNow lets go back to what I was talking about before. There are spots in this game where all competent players are gonna hold to their suited ace, so much so that even if you're playing with a total stranger you can use this hand reading logic to guide your play and your "guesses" will turn out correct a lot more than 50-50. Even bad players will often unconsciously hold to their suited aces in these spots. Ok well I already talked about one spot. Let's do another common spot!
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Everyone passes and you call Next in the 2nd round. You lead the JS and your P follows suit, then you lead the JC and your P plays the, then you lead the AS and your P plays a
. Your best lead on 4th street is the 9H, the suit your P hasn't shown yet becuz this is one of those spots where he should hold to his suited ace to maximize his teams chances of getting 2 points. Since your P is averse to breaking up a suited ace in this spot, him playing the TD and the TC suggests he's not covering those suits.
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