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OE 122120

Unread post by Richardb02 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:02 pm


Would you ordered as S1, North ordered?
How would you play the hand?

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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:38 pm

I reflexively do not donate when I have A-X in trump unless my team is up 9-6/9-7. With A-X in trump I'm willing to gamble as only a JJX loner can possibly beat me. Put another way, I think donating with A-X will cost one's team too many points in the long run to be worth it. That said, up 7-3 with absolutely no 2nd Rd hand, I think this donate is defensible. Give S1 two low hearts to work with on a Next call or a hand where S1 has reverse Next blocked and then I would for sure be against this donate. After the call I think S1 played it well. With no voids I always lead trump on a donate. Leading the low trump is the correct lead.

To me the most important aspect of this hand is not whether to donate in this spot or not but rather the crucial understanding that IF S1 passes diamonds and the action gets back to him in the 2nd round he MUST now call Next, I.E. hearts, given that he doesn't block reverse next.

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Unread post by LeftyK » Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:12 pm

it's an incredible call and one I would not make. But yeah it's a next call S1R2 as S2R2 is loaded for a reverse loner. The only time I don't lead trumps on a donate is if the upcard is the right. But that's because my P and I have an understanding beforehand.

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