Your team is winning 5-2
Players are average and equal






Would you order or pass?
If you order would you go in Next, Clubs or
Go in Reverse Next, Hearts, with 3 trump?
Unread post by Richardb02 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:45 pm
Unread post by RedDuke » Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:40 am
I'd order hearts and pray my partner has some black cards. You can't pass this.Richardb02 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:45 pmYou are in Seat 1
Your team is winning 5-2
Players are average and equal
Was turned down. You hold:
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Would you order or pass?
If you order would you go in Next, Clubs or
Go in Reverse Next, Hearts, with 3 trump?
Unread post by Richardb02 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:03 pm
Why do you choose hearts instead of clubs?RedDuke wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:40 amI'd order hearts and pray my partner has some black cards. You can't pass this.Richardb02 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:45 pmYou are in Seat 1
Your team is winning 5-2
Players are average and equal
Was turned down. You hold:
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Would you order or pass?
If you order would you go in Next, Clubs or
Go in Reverse Next, Hearts, with 3 trump?
Unread post by pcather » Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:06 pm
Unread post by Richardb02 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:19 pm
I think differently.pcather wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:06 pmI think it depends on the level of player.
I’m playing on Euchre 3D and I’ve seen many who have a lot of spades but wouldn’t call it because they don’t have the right that I hold. I’m finding that when I play next I often get euchred. But then, even though I have 3 hearts, they there is a Right, Left and Ace of hearts out there waiting to get me. If the opponents passed on spades it might be because they want to play red.![]()
I think if I am playing more risk taking players I’d try next. If not it’s probably 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other.
Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:02 pm
Unread post by Richardb02 » Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:26 pm
I really like your concept. It is an advanced concept but it too can work with a BPS (Bidding Point System)! The simple keys:Wes (aka the legend) wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:02 pmWith:
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I call Next and lead the KH. L+1 with 2 voids is a decent hand for this situation. I feel confident it will outperform crossing the river with a 3 low heart 3 suited hand.
I failed to evaluate the voids! Let me try again, in my more familiar format.
0.50 S1 R2
0.75 Next
0.75 Left, Js
0.50 Qc
0.25 L+1
0.75 2 Voids (2 suited)
3.50 vs 2.25 Edge Hand
0.50 S1 R2
0.25 9h
0.50 Qh
0.50 Kh
0.50 3 Trump, no bowers
0.25 1 Void
2.50 vs 2.25 Edge Hand but awful compared to 3.50 Next in Clubs
A more interesting comparison would be which way to go with these holdings:
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Let’s evaluate
0.50 S1 R2
0.75 Next
0.75 Kc
0.50 2 Voids (2 suited)
2.50 vs 2.25 Edge Hand
0.50 S1 R2
0.25 9h
0.50 Qh
0.50 Kh
0.50 3 Trump, no bowers
0.25 1 Void
2.50 vs 2.50 Next, You choose! I like 3 weak RN vs 2 weak Next. 3 is bigger.
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Let’s evaluate:
0.50 S1 R2
0.75 Next
0.25 Tc
0.50 Qc0.75 2 Voids (2 suited)
2.00 vs 2.25 Edge Hand. Pass.
0.50 S1 R2
0.25 9h
0.50 Qh
0.50 Kh
0.50 3 Trump, no bowers
0.25 1 Void
2.50 vs 2.25 Edge Hand And better than 2.00 Next hand. Order.
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I would call clubs in that case too but I wouldn't be surprised if a good simulation proved me wrong.
This is even weaker than the previous hand. So there is no reason to apply the BPS.
Now if I had:
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I would pass up 5-2. Here we have a decent euchre hand with all suits blocked and approx 2 tricks in every suit. Crossing the river with a 3 suited L+2+0 off aces hand is still a marginal call. I would say never call marginal when you have a decent euchre hand, the exception being when your opponents are at nine, but even then I wonder if passing may be better depending on the exact nature of your euchre hand. I mean obviously passing is best if you have 4 jacks and an off Ace when your opponents are at 9 and your team is at 8 or less but I'm sure there are other strong euchre hands where passing is best too. Where's the cutoff when a euchre hand is not quite strong enough to pass and go for the euchre when you're opponents are at 9 and your team has 8 pts or less? IDK. Would be fun to test that out.
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