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This is just shy of my edge order. But, I have nothing blocked and no reasonable call for Round 2. So I accepted the risk and ordered. Being down 5-6 was more acceptable than risking 5-8 if Opponents took 4 points.
Unread post by Richardb02 » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:14 pm
Unread post by RedDuke » Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:09 pm
Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:12 am
Only when my partner is a really bad player, who passes lots of biddables/barely ever going alone, do I start ordering "Best I got and I block nothing" hands from the 2 seat at relatively neutral scores. In most cases, you should trust your partner and pass with this hand being wary of blocking his possible loner.Richardb02 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:14 pmRound 1, Seat 2, Score 5-4, Equal Ave+ players
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Order or pass?
This is just shy of my edge order. But, I have nothing blocked and no reasonable call for Round 2. So I accepted the risk and ordered. Being down 5-6 was more acceptable than risking 5-8 if Opponents took 4 points.
Unread post by Richardb02 » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:02 pm
Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:54 pm
First let's get what I consider the non-edge hands out of the way. Assume neutral score and assume my team isn't on 9 or 8. Any time I have 3 trump I'm calling unless I have a euchre hand. Any time I have Right + 1 I'm calling unless I have a euchre hand. Any time I have Left + 1 + an off ace and I only block 1 out of the 3 remaining suits in the 2nd round I'm calling unless the Right is up and I have mad respect for my partner. If I have Left + 1 + an off ace but I block all suits (I.E. I have a stopper hand) then I would pass regardless of upcard.
Assuming my team has less than 8 I only think about the possibility of blocking my partner's loner when the Right is up. For example, if I have Left + 1 and nothing else I will back off and pass if my partner is a strong player but order it if not. Although if my team is down by a lot I'm not ordering up the Right unless I have 3 trump or I'm going alone myself even if I have a weak partner. Sometimes you're in a spot where you just have to hope your partner "has it", like if you're down 6-1 or something or obv down 9-6/9-7.Richardb02 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:02 pm2, I only consider Partner, in S4, calling Alone if A or J is the Up Card. Do you use the Up Card as a parameter in similar situations? How?
I draw the line at up 8-5. This is obviously a dicey play that will go wrong quite often. I like the idea that in the worst case scenario, we're still up 8-7 with 60% equity. I think one could make the argument that we should run this play at up 8-6. Although now when we get euchred we only have 46% equity, one of the pluses to this play is Seat 1 never gets the chance at a game winning loner in the 2nd round. I don't know. I feel good about 8-5, I'm just not sure about 8-6.Richardb02 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:02 pm3. If blocking up 8-1 is a good idea, would blocking at 8-2 be a good idea? 8-3? Where would you draw the line?
Same thought process. When your team is at 9 with a nice lead you should be trying to close out the game as fast as possible. All "best I got, I block nothing and have nowhere to go in the 2nd round" type hands become standard calls unless you're playing in a tournament where points matter. Of course this begs the same question as above. What's the cutoff as far as making these loose defensive calls? Well I wouldn't run this play up 9-7. The penalty of getting euchred is too great. And running this play up 9-5 is mandatory since even in the worst case scenario we are still up 9-7 with 77% equity. The edge spot is when we're up 9-6. Getting euchred at that score kinda hurts cuz now you put your enemy in position to close out the game down 9-8 with the deal. I swear when you're running bad it seems like EVERY time your opponents get in that spot they indeed close out. But that said, If I'm gonna run this play up 8-5, I have to run it up 9-6 if I want to be consistent. Remember if we get euchred up 8-5 we end up at 8-7 with 60% equity, and if we get euchred up 9-6 we end up at 9-8 with 64% equity. Can't advocate one without the other. So I would run this play up 9-X when X = 6 or less. It's annoying when we get euchred up 9-6 and put our opponents in a close out position but this strategy also prevents seat 1 from ever winning the game in the 2nd round on a 4 point loner.Richardb02 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:02 pm4. Does the thought process change if the score is 9-1, 9-2, etc.?
Unread post by Richardb02 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:35 pm
Wes (aka the legend) wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:54 pm.
First let's get what I consider the non-edge hands out of the way. Assume neutral score and assume my team isn't on 9 or 8. Any time I have 3 trump I'm calling unless I have a euchre hand. Any time I have Right + 1 I'm calling unless I have a euchre hand. Any time I have Left + 1 + an off ace and I only block 1 out of the 3 remaining suits in the 2nd round I'm calling unless the Right is up and I have mad respect for my partner. If I have Left + 1 + an off ace but I block all suits (I.E. I have a stopper hand) then I would pass regardless of upcard.
Richardb02 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:02 pm2, I only consider Partner, in S4, calling Alone if A or J is the Up Card. Do you use the Up Card as a parameter in similar situations? How?
Richardb02 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:02 pm3. If blocking up 8-1 is a good idea, would blocking at 8-2 be a good idea? 8-3? Where would you draw the line?
Richardb02 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:02 pm4. Does the thought process change if the score is 9-1, 9-2, etc.?
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