Round 1 Seat 2 Score 8-4

My Seat 2 hand:





Would you Pass or Order up?
If you had less than 8 points, would you "bid" differently?
I'll recap the results if I get 4 responses.
Unread post by Richardb02 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:49 pm
Unread post by RedDuke » Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:55 am
Unread post by icanplay » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:54 pm
Unread post by RedDuke » Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:21 pm
What would you do if you had an aggressive partner (like Wes) and you're down 8-4? That's the only time I can really think of a hand like this being a pass.icanplay wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:54 pmI would order this with the score 8-4 and my position in seat 2. I get a little more aggressive up this many points. Why give the other team more chances to call a loaner should my partner pass. A set is not ever good, but I find it worth the risk here. If I had left protected and could stop a green loaner I would probably pass especially if I know my partner is not afraid to make trump. If I knew my partner (the dealer) was ultra aggressive, I might consider passing, but with having 8 points I am not as concerned about ruining his loaner. If the score was really close, example 8-8 I might consider passing here, however passing also has its risks...
Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:55 pm
This situation is very analogous to this question from my quiz:Richardb02 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:49 pmIt's deja vue all over again! I've dealt with this hand 3 times in the past 2 weeks!!
Round 1 Seat 2 Score 8-4up
My Seat 2 hand:
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Would you Pass or Order up?
If you had less than 8 points, would you "bid" differently?
I'll recap the results if I get 4 responses.
Your situation is very similar. Your team is at 8 points so you don't have to worry about blocking your partner's loner, you have a nice lead up 8-4, your hand, Left + 1 and nothing else, is not quite good enough to call, you have no where to go in the 2nd round and you only block 1 out of the 3 remaining suits should your partner pass. All the prerequisites for making this thin call line up here which is why this is a MUST call imo, what I would call a "protection" call, becuz virtually nothing good can happen if this hand gets to the 2nd round.Wes (aka the legend) wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:29 am12) Your team is up 8-1. You're in the 2 seat. The dealer's upcard is the
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ANSWER: Call Hearts. Whenever your team reaches 8 or 9 points and you have a big lead you need to loosen up your calls from the 2 seat, first round when you block very little. This is becuz 1) you no longer have to worry about blocking your partner's loner and 2) the last thing you want to do here is give up a seat 1, 2nd round loner. So hands that are normally not quite good enough to call, like 2 low trump + an off ace. now become a must call when you block no suits up 8-1. Don't fall in the autopilot trap of just playing your cards. Always play the situation, always think ahead. Always play sound defense.
Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:11 am
Yeah, that is the question. What do we do in this spot at a neutral score? I agree with you that if our partner is "any ordinary person" it's a call given that most people pass too much and don't go alone enough. If our partner is a very strong player then we should back off in scenarios where blocking a loner can hurt us. And at 9-9 we obviously call regardless of the nature of our partner since this is clearly the best we got. What about at scores like up 9-8, tied 8-8, up 8-7. Those are the scores where it feels like we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.RedDuke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:55 amI'd definitely order this if my side has 9 points. I'd also probably order at 8. At less than 8 points, it depends on my partner. If I've got a very aggressive partner that likes to make a lot of hail mary loner attempts and will generally not pass if he has anything at all in his hand, I'll pass this to give him a chance at the lone. If I've got pretty much any ordinary person as my partner, I'm going to call here.
Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:19 am
Down 8-4, ordering me up would be a large mistake.
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