





Post by jblowery » Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:03 pm
Post by Wes (aka the legend) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:19 pm
I pass that hand, but it's close. At the very least, if one does call this it should pretty much be the exact bottom of their calling range.
Post by Richardb02 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:15 pm
I remember reading this post in April or May and relegating it to, "this is too advanced for me." But 6-7 months later I see the logic to Wes' points. From a basic approach, having 3 trump and 2 green aces is a hand to call, even from Seat 3. My BPS-Basic concludes that the hand is 2 notches better than minimum for calling. But the analysis is based on calling to earn 1 point and ignores the potential of Dealer ordering (an excellent chance of earning 2 points by euchring the dealer) as well as, my hand providing excellent support for Partner calling Next! Even if Partner calls Reverse-Next, my aces should make me good for 1 trick, or more, to support Partner!Wes (aka the legend) wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:19 pm
Let's do one controversial example of what I would do in Seat 3, 1st round just for fun:
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I'm passing this hand ALL DAY and here's why.
1) If I pass and the dealer picks up, my team now has a great chance to set him.
2) If I pass and the dealer passes, my hand hits my partner well enough no matter what he calls. If he calls next I have 3 aces to help him including 2 singleton green aces. If he crosses the river, I still have 2 off aces to help his cause.
3) I have no bowers in my hand. This is important, not becuz I wish I had bowers, no it's more subtle than that. When I have no bowers in my hand there is a greater than normal chance my partner is sitting on a 2nd round loner those times the dealer passes. Also, when I have no bowers in my hand there is a greater than normal chance the dealer picks up despite the fact that I have 3 trump. Both these potential outcomes are awesome for my team. I don't wanna mess up this favorable dynamic by calling.
Post by Wes (aka the legend) » Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:45 pm
Yep, never forget that you can often have your cake and eat it too when you pass ostensibly biddable hands from the 3rd seat, especially when you have a strong partner who plays Seat 1, 2nd rd really well. But also keep in mind that once your team is at 9, you should loosen up your calling range a bit. The same strong hands I recommend passing now become calls. This makes sense theoretically becuz once you're at 9, passing to trap the dealer no longer has any value since your team only needs 1 point to win.Richardb02 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:15 pmI remember reading this post in April or May and relegating it to, "this is too advanced for me." But 6-7 months later I see the logic to Wes' points. From a basic approach, having 3 trump and 2 green aces is a hand to call, even from Seat 3. My BPS-Basic concludes that the hand is 2 notches better than minimum for calling. But the analysis is based on calling to earn 1 point and ignores the potential of Dealer ordering (an excellent chance of earning 2 points by euchring the dealer) as well as, my hand providing excellent support for Partner calling Next! Even if Partner calls Reverse-Next, my aces should make me good for 1 trick, or more, to support Partner!
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