Holding all four jacks

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lynnie724
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Holding all four jacks

Post by lynnie724 » Fri May 04, 2018 9:52 pm

If I’m in 1st seat, holding all jacks, but up card doesn’t match my 5th card, do I order up?

Same question from 3rd seat



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DreamboatPat
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Post by DreamboatPat » Sat May 05, 2018 7:25 am

I've always have been told you should pass with 4 jacks.

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Post by irishwolf » Sat May 05, 2018 1:36 pm

RE: 4 jacks

Better to answer this by knowing the upcard and what is the 5th card to your 4 jacks? Anyway, we can still answer this. Suppose the upcard is a diamond, and your 5th card is a small club. Of course, Pass, because two naked bowers in diamonds is no guarantee for winning three tricks.

Even if playing STD, dealer passes, you will score more points with many hands played by making clubs trump, JS JC xC. You lead one of the jacks. If only the opponents have clubs, you then need to lead the other Bower. You have no guarantee for a euchre in Spades or Hearts, you have no off suit aces. I have studied this situation, extensively and you will make your point ~95% of the time and make a 'march' 10 to 15% leading the turned down JD to your partner on trick 4. The rule here is call trump with a Biddable hand.

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Post by irishwolf » Sat May 05, 2018 1:44 pm

RE: four jacks PART II

Never order from 3rd seat with just two naked bowers. If the 5th card matches the up card, then you can order and your partner has to lead trump, if left or ace doubleton, lead high.

If he/she has no trump to lead, then lead an ace from 1st seat. If no ace, do not lead from a card holding 3 of the same suit. Lead a singleton suit card and hope for the best.

You have to also factor in, how well does your partner understand next, even calling next with a 'thin hand'. YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE!

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Post by lynnie724 » Sat May 05, 2018 3:06 pm

Thanks!!

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Post by XaviRonaldo » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:17 pm

Non STD you have to call on your 5th card no matter the seat IMO. In an STD game I'm passing in every seat except 1st

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