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Wes (aka the legend)
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Re: Donates from the "Monday" Night Game - Block tracker

Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:11 am

1/12/total: 8 donates. Net gain: +4

1/19 total: 12 donates. Net cost: -3

1/25 total: 1 donate. Net cost: 0

2/1 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -3

2/8 total: 6 donates. Net cost: -5

2/15 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -5

2/22 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -4

3/1 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -2

3/8 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/15 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/29 total: 2 donates. Net cost: -2


4/5 donates:

1)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 5-2 I donate with no trump, no aces vs the TC and get euchred. Had I passed everyone else would've passed, and I would've passed again in the 2nd rd. Seat 2 would've called hearts and his team would've gotten 1 pt.

Net cost: -1

2)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 4-0 I donate vs the JS with one trump, no aces and get euchred. Had I passed the dealer would've went alone but My P would've stopped him if he correctly holds onto his doubleton KdXd.

Net cost: -1

3)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 6-3 I donate vs a TD with one trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand and get euchred. Had I passed everyone would've passed and I would've called Next and gotten euchred.

Net cost: 0

4)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 2-0 I donate vs the JC with one trump, no aces and get euchred. Had I passed, the dealer would've called clubs and I would've led my singleton TH and my P would've taken the first trick and led the AD and the dealer would've trumped in and then led another heart hoping to set up an end play. With my team already having 1 trick in and the Ace of trump in my hand, I would've went for the euchre and short-suited myself in spades (no end play for the maker in this spot!). My P would take the maker's non-fresh heart trick with the Left and then he would correctly lead a spade given that he saw me throw a spade off and then my team gets the euchre since the Maker has KcJc remaining and I have the Ac behind him.

Net cost: -4

5)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 5-2 I donate vs the Jd with no trump + 1 off ace and get euchred. Had I passed, the 2S would've ordered with 3 trump and his team would've gotten a 2 pt march.

Net cost: 0

Total 4/5 donates: 5, Net cost: -6

Further cumulative breakdown: I'm gonna separate my donates into 3 categories: Up 2 or more donates referred to as up 2+, Up 1 or less donates referred to as up 1-, and up 9-6/9-7 donates. There will now be an additional vs a Jack upcard/vs a non-jack upcard breakdown.

1) Up 2+ donates: 29 total, Net cost: -8

2) Up 1- donates: 27 total, Net cost: -17

3) Up 9-6/9-7 donates: 2 total, Net cost: -3

4) Vs a Jack donates: 30 total, Net cost: -15

5) Donater has an off ace vs a Jack: 18 total, Net cost: -8

6) Donater has no off ace vs a Jack: 11 total, Net cost: -6

7) Donater has 2 low trump, no off aces vs Jack: 1 total, Net cost: -1

8) Vs a non-Jack donates: 26 total, Net cost: -10

9) No trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand vs non-Jack donates: 4 total, Net cost: -2

Cumulative up 2+ & up 1- donates: 56, Net cost: -25

Cumulative overall donates: 58, Net cost: -28



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Unread post by irishwolf » Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:25 pm

Don,

You have these Donates as (Column L) being successful, see 85, 89 & 81. I question if this is correct when I look at the hands and as played out.

Even 77, KS is led, Dealer has AS buy S3 has 10S and AC. If he saves the 10S he can stop the dealers 9S. But would he toss that AC? Maybe or Maybe not.

Interesting as Donating is averaging pretty lousy on vs giving away points.

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Unread post by Tbolt65 » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:51 pm

irishwolf wrote: โ†‘
Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:25 pm
Don,

You have these Donates as (Column L) being successful, see 85, 89 & 81. I question if this is correct when I look at the hands and as played out.

Even 77, KS is led, Dealer has AS buy S3 has 10S and AC. If he saves the 10S he can stop the dealers 9S. But would he toss that AC? Maybe or Maybe not.

Interesting as Donating is averaging pretty lousy on vs giving away points.
I've got so much to get to in other posts. I'm at work and have been checking in when I can.

As to this post. When facing a dealer loner they will more likely to be 2 suited. Not always though. Save the double spade over the ace. S1-3, may not the majority of the time be 2 suited. This is where paying attention to your partner will be essential. Also what type of player as well and what they are capable of going alone with.

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Unread post by irishwolf » Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:54 pm

I see a couple more that are issues with donates being successful loners. Clearly #14 would have been stopped, but listed as successful. S1 only has one good choice and S3 would have trumped it.

Two others are a matter of what S1 leads: 59 & 67.

So with Jack up, 7 or 8 loners with 63 Donates being successful. 12.7% if 8/63, successful loner stops. 63 donates = 126 points, loners 32 pts. So can you breakeven 126 - 32 = 94. Seriously in doubt.

Jack not up, even worse.

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Unread post by Dlan » Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:33 pm

I have a few more to add. Once done anyone can check my data, if I made a mistake somewhere, simple for me to change it. You just need to let me know where. I have a couple of busy days ahead and then will show the totals and my thought.

This spreadsheet is unless if it is not accurate.

Now if you disagree with the way the hand was played, that's a whole different issue. In such a case, it may be helpful to open a new post (and yes, it should be referred to as a hand I used here). The idea is to help others and maybe show a better way.

Wes (aka the legend)
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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:16 am

1/12/total: 8 donates. Net gain: +4

1/19 total: 12 donates. Net cost: -3

1/25 total: 1 donate. Net cost: 0

2/1 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -3

2/8 total: 6 donates. Net cost: -5

2/15 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -5

2/22 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -4

3/1 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -2

3/8 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/15 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/29 total: 2 donates. Net cost: -2

4/5 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -6


4/9 & 4/12 Donates:

1)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 1-0 I donate vs an Ace with no trump, 1 ace, and no 2nd rd hand and I get euchred. Had I passed the dealer would've called and made a pt.

Net Cost: -1

2)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

2) Up 3-2 I donate vs a Jack with no trump, 1 off ace and get euchred. Had I passed the dealer would've went alone and I would've stopped him with my off ace.

Net cost: -1

3)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 9-4 I donate vs the QC with no trump no aces and get euchred. Had I passed the dealer would've went alone and made a 4pt loner.

Net gain: +2

4)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 9-7 I donate vs the Jack with an unguarded Left + an ace and get euchred. Had I passed the dealer would've went alone and won the game. Not sure how I should account for this. Is this me stopping a 4 pt loner or a 3 pt loner since my opponents were at 7. I'm counting it as a 4 pt loner for now. Preventing the enemy from winning the game has to count for something, plus counting it as just 3 pts would skew overall results.

Net gain: +2

5)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 1-0 I donate vs the AH with one trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand. Had I passed, everyone would've passed in the first round. Then I would've called Next and gotten euchred.

Net cost: 0

6)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 7-2, I donate vs the KD with one trump no aces and get euchred. Had I passed the dealer would've called and made 1 pt.

Net cost: -1

7)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 7-5, I donate vs the TH with no trump, one ace, and get euchred. Had I passed the 2S would've called and his team would've gotten 1 pt.

Net cost: -1

8)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 1-0, I donate vs the AH with 1 trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand, and get euchred. Had I passed the dealer would've went alone and made 4 pts.

Net gain: +2

9)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 6-2 I donate vs the 9S with no trump, no aces and get euchred. Had I passed the dealer would've went alone and gotten 4 pts.

Net gain: +2

10)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Down 6-5 I donate vs the JH with an unguarded Left and no aces and get euchred. Had I passed the dealer would've called and his team would've gotten the march for 2 pts.

Net cost: 0

Total 4/9 & 4/12 donates: 10, Net gain: +4

Further cumulative breakdown: I'm gonna separate my donates into 3 categories: Up 2 or more donates referred to as up 2+, Up 1 or less donates referred to as up 1-, and up 9-6/9-7 donates. There will now be an additional vs a Jack upcard/vs a non-jack upcard breakdown.

1) Up 2+ donates: 33 total, Net cost: -6

2) Up 1- donates: 32 total, Net cost: -17

3) Up 9-6/9-7 donates: 3 total, Net cost: -1

4) Vs a Jack donates: 32 total, Net cost: -16

5) Donater has an off ace vs a Jack: 19 total, Net cost: -9

6) Donater has no off ace vs a Jack: 12 total, Net cost: -6

7) Donater has 2 low trump, no off aces vs Jack: 1 total, Net cost: -1

8) Vs a non-Jack donates: 33 total, Net cost: -7

9) No trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand vs non-Jack donates: 4 total, Net cost: -2

Cumulative up 2+ & up 1- donates: 65, Net cost: -23

Cumulative overall donates: 68, Net cost: -24

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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:47 am

1/12/total: 8 donates. Net gain: +4

1/19 total: 12 donates. Net cost: -3

1/25 total: 1 donate. Net cost: 0

2/1 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -3

2/8 total: 6 donates. Net cost: -5

2/15 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -5

2/22 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -4

3/1 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -2

3/8 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/15 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/29 total: 2 donates. Net cost: -2

4/5 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -6

4/9 & 4/12 total: 10 donates. Net gain: +4


4/19 donates:

1)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

At 0-0, I donate vs a JS with one trump + an off ace and get euchred. Had I passed, I believe the dealer would've called with R+0+2 aces. A good call given that he doesn't block any suits. I then would've led the AC, and their team would've gotten 2 pts.

Net cost: 0

2)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 1-0, I donate vs the JH with no trump + 1 ace and get euchred. Had I passed the dealer would've called and his team would've gotten 1 pt.

Net cost: -1

Total 4/19 donates: 2, Net lost: -1

Further cumulative breakdown: I'm gonna separate my donates into 3 categories: Up 2 or more donates referred to as up 2+, Up 1 or less donates referred to as up 1-, and up 9-6/9-7 donates. There will now be an additional vs a Jack upcard/vs a non-jack upcard breakdown.

1) Up 2+ donates: 33 total, Net cost: -6

2) Up 1- donates: 34 total, Net cost: -18

3) Up 9-6/9-7 donates: 3 total, Net cost: -1

4) Vs a Jack donates: 34 total, Net cost: -17

5) Donater has an off ace vs a Jack: 21 total, Net cost: -10

6) Donater has no off ace vs a Jack: 12 total, Net cost: -6

7) Donater has 2 low trump, no off aces vs Jack: 1 total, Net cost: -1

8) Vs a non-Jack donates: 33 total, Net cost: -7

9) No trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand vs non-Jack donates: 4 total, Net cost: -2

Cumulative up 2+ & up 1- donates: 67, Net cost: -24

Cumulative overall donates: 70, Net cost: -25

Wes (aka the legend)
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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:18 am

1/12/total: 8 donates. Net gain: +4

1/19 total: 12 donates. Net cost: -3

1/25 total: 1 donate. Net cost: 0

2/1 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -3

2/8 total: 6 donates. Net cost: -5

2/15 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -5

2/22 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -4

3/1 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -2

3/8 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/15 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/29 total: 2 donates. Net cost: -2

4/5 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -6

4/9 & 4/12 total: 10 donates. Net gain: +4

4/19 total:: 2 donates, Net cost: -1


4/23 donates:

1)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Down 0-2 I donate vs the JS with one trump + an off ace and got euchred. Had I passed the dealer would've called and I would've led off with the AH and they would've made 1 pt.

Net cost: -1

2)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

0-0, I donate vs the AD with 1 trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand and get euchred. Had I passed S2 would've called, I would've led the 9S and they would've gotten 2 pts if they play the hand well.

Net cost: 0

3)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Down 6-1, I donate vs the JS with 1 trump, no off aces, and get euchred. Had I passed the dealer would've went alone. I would've led a diamond, and my P would've trumped in to save the day.

Net cost: -1

4)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 9-4 I donate vs a KC with 1 trump, 1 off ace, no 2nd rd hand, and get euchred. Had I passed, S2 would've called, I would've led trump, and they would've gotten 1 pt.

Net cost: -1

5)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 6-3 I donate vs the KS with no trump, one ace, and get euchred. Had I passed, S2 would've went alone and made 4 pts.

Net gain: +2

Total 4/23 donates: 5, net cost: -1

Further cumulative breakdown: I'm gonna separate my donates into 3 categories: Up 2 or more donates referred to as up 2+, Up 1 or less donates referred to as up 1-, and up 9-6/9-7 donates. There will now be an additional vs a Jack upcard/vs a non-jack upcard breakdown.

1) Up 2+ donates: 35 total, Net cost: -5

2) Up 1- donates: 37 total, Net cost: -20

3) Up 9-6/9-7 donates: 3 total, Net cost: -1

4) Vs a Jack donates: 36 total, Net cost: -19

5) Donater has an off ace vs a Jack: 22 total, Net cost: -11

6) Donater has no off ace vs a Jack: 13 total, Net cost: -7

7) Donater has 2 low trump, no off aces vs Jack: 1 total, Net cost: -1

8) Vs a non-Jack donates: 36 total, Net cost: -6

9) No trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand vs non-Jack donates: 4 total, Net cost: -2

Cumulative up 2+ & up 1- donates: 72, Net cost: -25

Cumulative overall donates: 75, Net cost: -26

Wes (aka the legend)
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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Wed May 05, 2021 2:49 am

1/12/total: 8 donates. Net gain: +4

1/19 total: 12 donates. Net cost: -3

1/25 total: 1 donate. Net cost: 0

2/1 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -3

2/8 total: 6 donates. Net cost: -5

2/15 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -5

2/22 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -4

3/1 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -2

3/8 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/15 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/29 total: 2 donates. Net cost: -2

4/5 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -6

4/9 & 4/12 total: 10 donates. Net gain: +4

4/19 total: 2 donates, Net cost: -1

4/23 total: 5 donates, net cost: -1


4/30 & 5/3 donates:

1)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 9-7 I donate vs a JC with Ac9c and an off ace--a donate I would never do except at up 9-6/9-7--and I get euchred. Had a passed the dealer would've called or went alone. Either way he gets 1 pt:

Net cost: -1

2)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 6-4 I donate vs the TD with 1 trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand and get euchred. Had I passed the dealer would've called and they get 2 pts no matter what I lead.

Net cost: 0

3)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

At 0-0, I donate vs the QH with 1 trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand. Had I passed the dealer would've went alone, but I would've stopped him with my doubleton KS.

Net cost: -1

4)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 4-1 I donate with one trump, no aces vs the TS and get euchred. Had I passed, the dealer would've called and I would've lead the JH and his team would've made a point.

Net cost: -1

5)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 9-7 I donate vs the AS with an unguarded Left + an off ace, a donate I only make at up 9-6/9-7. My team gets euchred. Had I passed. S2 either calls or goes alone. Either way his team gets 1 pt.

Net cost: -1

6)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 6-1, I donate vs the TC with 1 trump, no aces and get euchred. Had I passed the dealer would've called or went alone. In both cases I lead the QD and the dealers team only gets 1 pt.

Net cost: -1

7)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 6-3 I donate vs the AC with no trump, no aces and get euchred. Had I passed, S2 should call with L+1+A given that he only blocks 1 out of 3 2nd rd suits. If he does, I would lead the JD and S2's team will end up getting the 2 pt march.

Net cost: 0

8)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Down 5-1, I donate vs the JD with one trump, no aces and get euchred. Had I passed, the dealer would've called and I would've led the TS and they would've gotten 1 pt.

Net cost: -1

Total 4/30 & 5/3 donates: 8, net cost: -6

Further cumulative breakdown: I'm gonna separate my donates into 3 categories: Up 2 or more donates referred to as up 2+, Up 1 or less donates referred to as up 1-, and up 9-6/9-7 donates. There will now be an additional vs a Jack upcard/vs a non-jack upcard breakdown.

1) Up 2+ donates: 39 total, Net cost: -7

2) Up 1- donates: 39 total, Net cost: -22

3) Up 9-6/9-7 donates: 5 total, Net cost: -3

4) Vs a Jack donates: 37 total, Net cost: -20

5) Donater has an off ace vs a Jack: 22 total, Net cost: -11

6) Donater has no off ace vs a Jack: 14 total, Net cost: -8

7) Donater has 2 low trump, no off aces vs Jack: 1 total, Net cost: -1

8) Vs a non-Jack donates: 41 total, Net cost: -9

9) No trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand vs non-Jack donates: 4 total, Net cost: -2

Cumulative up 2+ & up 1- donates: 78, Net cost: -29

Cumulative overall donates: 83, Net cost: -32

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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Thu May 13, 2021 3:44 pm

1/12/total: 8 donates. Net gain: +4

1/19 total: 12 donates. Net cost: -3

1/25 total: 1 donate. Net cost: 0

2/1 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -3

2/8 total: 6 donates. Net cost: -5

2/15 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -5

2/22 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -4

3/1 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -2

3/8 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/15 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/29 total: 2 donates. Net cost: -2

4/5 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -6

4/9 & 4/12 total: 10 donates. Net gain: +4

4/19 total: 2 donates, Net cost: -1

4/23 total: 5 donates, net cost: -1

4/30 & 5/3 total: 8 dontes, net cost: -6


5/7 & 5/10 donates:

1)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 8-6, I donate vs the TH with 1 trump, 1 ace, no 2nd Rd hand, and we make the point. Had I passed, S2 would've called, and I would've led trump on D with 1 trump, 1 ace and no voids. My P would've won the first trick and I believe he would've played the AS on trick 2 and the KS on trick 3 and we would've euchred the enemy.

Net cost: -1

2)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 7-5, I donate vs the 9D with 1 trump, 1 ace, and no 2nd rd hand and get euchred. Had a I passed, S2 would've called, I would've led my one trump on D with no voids and an off ace, and S2's team would end up getting a 2 pt march.

Net cost: 0

3)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Tied 4-4, I donate vs the JD with 1 trump + 1 Ace, and get euchred. Had I passed S4 would've called and gotten 1 pt.

Net cost: -1

4)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Down 5-3, I donate vs the JD with 1 trump, no aces, and get euchred. Had I passed S4 would've went alone but I would've stopped him with a guarded King.

Net cost: -1

5)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Down 2-4, I donate with no trump no aces vs a Jack and get euchred. Had I passed, S4 would've called and gotten 1 pt.

Net cost: -1

6)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 6-3, I donate vs the 9H with 1 trump, no aces and get euchred. Had I passed, it would've passed around and I would've called Next in the 2nd rd and my team would've scored a point.

Net cost: -3

Total 5/7 & 5/10 donates: 6, net cost: -7

Further cumulative breakdown: I'm gonna separate my donates into 3 categories: Up 2 or more donates referred to as up 2+, Up 1 or less donates referred to as up 1-, and up 9-6/9-7 donates. There will now be an additional vs a Jack upcard/vs a non-jack upcard breakdown.

1) Up 2+ donates: 42 total, Net cost: -11

2) Up 1- donates: 42 total, Net cost: -25

3) Up 9-6/9-7 donates: 5 total, Net cost: -3

4) Vs a Jack donates: 40 total, Net cost: -23

5) Donater has an off ace vs a Jack: 23 total, Net cost: -12

6) Donater has no off ace vs a Jack: 16 total, Net cost: -10

7) Donater has 2 low trump, no off aces vs Jack: 1 total, Net cost: -1

8) Vs a non-Jack donates: 44 total, Net cost: -13

9) No trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand vs non-Jack donates: 4 total, Net cost: -2

Cumulative up 2+ & up 1- donates: 84, Net cost: -36

Cumulative overall donates: 89, Net cost: -39

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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Thu May 27, 2021 6:32 am

1/12/total: 8 donates. Net gain: +4

1/19 total: 12 donates. Net cost: -3

1/25 total: 1 donate. Net cost: 0

2/1 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -3

2/8 total: 6 donates. Net cost: -5

2/15 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -5

2/22 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -4

3/1 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -2

3/8 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/15 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/29 total: 2 donates. Net cost: -2

4/5 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -6

4/9 & 4/12 total: 10 donates. Net gain: +4

4/19 total: 2 donates, Net cost: -1

4/23 total: 5 donates, net cost: -1

4/30 & 5/3 total: 8 donates, net cost: -6

Total 5/7 & 5/10 total: 6 donates, net cost: -7


5/14 & 5/21 & 5/24 donates:

1)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 6-0 I donate vs the 9C with 1 trump + 1 off ace, with no 2nd round hand and get euchred. Had I passed, it should get passed around as the dealer should pass R+1+0 when he has all suits blocked (especially R+9). I think would call Next and lead trump, my P would correctly play under and S4 would take the first trick with the Left. Having the maker in a semi-squeeze, S4 would then lead his dirtiest suit (diamonds) and S2 would trump in and take that trick and then lead the AH for the euchre.

Net cost: 0

2)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 6-3 I donate vs the JS with 1 trump no aces and get euchred. Had I passed S4 would've called and his team would've made a point.

Net cost: -1

3)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Down 3-1 I donate vs the AD with no trump + 1 ace and no 2nd rd hand and get euchred. Had I passed, it would've gotten passed around as S4 would've passed R+1+0 given that he blocked all suits. Then I call Next and my team would've made a point.

Net cost: -3

4)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 4-2 I donate vs the JD with 2 low trump, no aces, no voids and get euchred. Had I passed S4 would've went alone but my guarded Kx in trump would've stopped him.

Net cost: -1

5)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 5-3 I donate vs the QD with 1 trump no aces and get euchred. Had I passed S4 would've called and I would've led the KH and S4 would've trumped in with the QD and since S2 played off on the first lead S4 should lead trump in this spot, and if he does his team gets 2 points.

Net cost: 0

6)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

0-0, I donate vs the JH with no trump + an ace and get euchred. Had I passed S4 goes alone and gets 4 points.

Net gain: +2

7)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 6-1 I donate vs the QD with no trump, 1 ace, no 2nd rd hand and get euchred. Had I passed I believe S2 is smart enough to know he MUST go alone with that hand at that score. If he does he gets 4 pts. I also believe S2's loner is +EV at 0-0 but I have to prove it.

Net gain: +2

8)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

0-0, I donate vs the JS with no trump, one ace and get euchred. Had I passed S4 would've went alone and gotten 4 pts.

Net gain: +2

9)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 9-7 I donate vs the KD with 2 low trump + an ace and get euchred. Had I passed, S4 would've called and gotten the point.

Net cost: -1

10)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

1-1, I donate vs the TD with 1 trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand and get euchred. Had I passed it would've gotten passed around and I would've called Next and gotten euchred.

Net cost: 0

Total 5/14 & 5/21 5/24 donates: 10, net cost: 0

Further cumulative breakdown: I'm gonna separate my donates into 3 categories: Up 2 or more donates referred to as up 2+, Up 1 or less donates referred to as up 1-, and up 9-6/9-7 donates. There will now be an additional vs a Jack upcard/vs a non-jack upcard breakdown.

1) Up 2+ donates: 47 total, Net cost: -11

2) Up 1- donates: 46 total, Net cost: -24

3) Up 9-6/9-7 donates: 6 total, Net cost: -4

4) Vs a Jack donates: 44 total, Net cost: -21

5) Donater has an off ace vs a Jack: 25 total, Net cost: -8

6) Donater has no off ace vs a Jack: 17 total, Net cost: -11

7) Donater has 2 low trump, no off aces vs Jack: 2 total, Net cost: -2

8) Vs a non-Jack donates: 49 total, Net cost: -14

9) No trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand vs non-Jack donates: 4 total, Net cost: -2

Cumulative up 2+ & up 1- donates: 93, Net cost: -35

Cumulative overall donates: 99, Net cost: -39

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Unread post by irishwolf » Thu May 27, 2021 11:24 pm

I am not the dealer, but that is insane (#3) to pass AD up. Blocking gets you no where in general when you have a 80% probability of scoring a point.


3)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Down 3-1 I donate vs the AD with no trump + 1 ace and no 2nd rd hand and get euchred. Had I passed, it would've gotten passed around as S4 would've passed R+1+0 given that he blocked all suits. Then I call Next and my team would've made a point.

Net cost: -3

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Unread post by Tbolt65 » Fri May 28, 2021 2:59 am

irishwolf wrote: โ†‘
Thu May 27, 2021 11:24 pm
I am not the dealer, but that is insane (#3) to pass AD up. Blocking gets you no where in general when you have a 80% probability of scoring a point.


3)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Down 3-1 I donate vs the AD with no trump + 1 ace and no 2nd rd hand and get euchred. Had I passed, it would've gotten passed around as S4 would've passed R+1+0 given that he blocked all suits. Then I call Next and my team would've made a point.

Net cost: -3
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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Fri May 28, 2021 3:17 am

irishwolf wrote: โ†‘
Thu May 27, 2021 11:24 pm
I am not the dealer, but that is insane (#3) to pass AD up. Blocking gets you no where in general when you have a 80% probability of scoring a point.


3)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Down 3-1 I donate vs the AD with no trump + 1 ace and no 2nd rd hand and get euchred. Had I passed, it would've gotten passed around as S4 would've passed R+1+0 given that he blocked all suits. Then I call Next and my team would've made a point.

Net cost: -3
That's actually one of those hands I always wondered about and was going to test. In general I do think passing R+1+0 is best if we block all suits. HOWEVER I have never been sure about passing precisely Right-Ace out of this configuration. Right+Ace is a different animal than other R+1+0 hands as it is practically 2 tricks in itself, so yeah you are probably right Wolf. Having everything blocked doesn't mean we should pass that hand.

Wolf? Do you agree with my hypothesis that other R+1+0 hands are a pass if we block all suits?

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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Fri May 28, 2021 3:18 am

Tbolt65 wrote: โ†‘
Fri May 28, 2021 2:59 am
Link is not working.


Tbolt65
Edward
Use the link in my post that Wolf is responding to.

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Unread post by irishwolf » Fri May 28, 2021 9:48 am

I am not about Blocking when I can score a point 75% of the time. In blocking with this hand, you have 1 or 1.5 tricks, only enough to stop a sweep with about a 25% chance of a euchre in Spades. I am all about scoring Points. So most hands R + 1, I am not Passing because I have 1 void and can usually win 2 tricks with that little trump. My partner can't help me less than 25% of the time when he has no trump and no Ace. And look at that hand, his partner has two trumps and a void to win 1 trick. Down 3 to 1, you pass and you will likely be down 4 to 1. Score your point, now 3 to 2. You donate, now down 5 to 1 (a big deficit)? I don't know how that game ended, but 5 to 1, betting you LOST.

GET SOME POINTS, he just screamed!

I am not on the fence about that except at certain scores, and I didn't come to PASS. lol

But I know many euchre players would pass. Just a different Philosophy, (Conservative vs Aggressive) I suppose.

~IRISHWOLF

Wes said, "That's actually one of those hands I always wondered about and was going to test. In general I do think passing R+1+0 is best if we block all suits. HOWEVER I have never been sure about passing precisely Right-Ace out of this configuration. Right+Ace is a different animal than other R+1+0 hands as it is practically 2 tricks in itself, so yeah you are probably right Wolf. Having everything blocked doesn't mean we should pass that hand."

Wolf? Do you agree with my hypothesis that other R+1+0 hands are a pass if we block all suits?

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Unread post by Tbolt65 » Fri May 28, 2021 12:23 pm

Are you guys talking about a seat 4 pass/dealer pass? With Right-Ace. I find that hard to consider. Get your point. If you are fortunate enough maybe two points if seat two passed with lets say two trump and 2 or 3 aces. ๐Ÿ˜Ž or anything halfway helpful.

Im not donating anyways anymore being up 3 to 1.

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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Fri May 28, 2021 4:25 pm

Tbolt65 wrote: โ†‘
Fri May 28, 2021 12:23 pm
Are you guys talking about a seat 4 pass/dealer pass? With Right-Ace. I find that hard to consider. Get your point. If you are fortunate enough maybe two points if seat two passed with lets say two trump and 2 or 3 aces. ๐Ÿ˜Ž or anything halfway helpful.

Im not donating anyways anymore being up 3 to 1.

Tbolt65
Edward
I wasn't up 3-1. I was down 3-1 8-)

Yeah, I'm gonna start testing out these R+1+0 hands where we block all suits and see where it goes.

The first hand I'm testing is:

(Card_A-D) upcard

(Card_J-D) (Card_9-H) (Card_9-C) (Card_J-S) (Card_9-S)

Will also test this hand down the road:

(Card_A-D) upcard

(Card_J-D) (Card_10-H) (Card_9-H) (Card_J-S) (Card_9-C)

That hand actually has a shot at being a +EV pass in a tough game since it can trap a Next call.

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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Fri May 28, 2021 4:28 pm

irishwolf wrote: โ†‘
Fri May 28, 2021 9:48 am
You donate, now down 5 to 1 (a big deficit)? I don't know how that game ended, but 5 to 1, betting you LOST.
It was a bad donate, not just cuz of the score but the combination of the unideal score + the fact that I do have some stopper potential with an off ace and a guarded King.

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Unread post by Tbolt65 » Fri May 28, 2021 4:46 pm

Wes (aka the legend) wrote: โ†‘
Fri May 28, 2021 4:25 pm
Tbolt65 wrote: โ†‘
Fri May 28, 2021 12:23 pm
Are you guys talking about a seat 4 pass/dealer pass? With Right-Ace. I find that hard to consider. Get your point. If you are fortunate enough maybe two points if seat two passed with lets say two trump and 2 or 3 aces. ๐Ÿ˜Ž or anything halfway helpful.

Im not donating anyways anymore being up 3 to 1.

Tbolt65
Edward
I wasn't up 3-1. I was down 3-1 8-)

Yeah, I'm gonna start testing out these R+1+0 hands where we block all suits and see where it goes.

The first hand I'm testing is:

(Card_A-D) upcard

(Card_J-D) (Card_9-H) (Card_9-C) (Card_J-S) (Card_9-S)

Will also test this hand down the road:

(Card_A-D) upcard

(Card_J-D) (Card_10-H) (Card_9-H) (Card_J-S) (Card_9-C)

That hand actually has a shot at being a +EV pass in a tough game since it can trap a Next call.

Oh? LOL. Same answer given above then.

1st hand if you pass, you are looking to basically give up any chance of a potential 1point but also minimizing potential euchre's in certain scenarios that could be costly towards the end game. So in potential situations, passing and hopping for the best in a euchre or you assist your partner. Other wise you manage the game by just allowing 1 point for the opponents. Have to be very selective especially with this hand when doing such.

2nd Hand I can see bagging every now and then depending on the players. See how it goes.

As I have always said since day one it all depends on the "situation". I'm still favoring calls here, but if the situation presents itself. It is ok to take chances of looking to get that euchre or manage the game.


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Unread post by irishwolf » Sat May 29, 2021 1:07 am

I already weighed in, AND THAT IS MY STORY AND I AM STICKING TO IT!

But do your testing and you will see!

Ed said, (I AGREE WITH THIS PART) "1st hand if you pass, you are looking to basically give up any chance of a potential 1point but also minimizing potential euchre's in certain scenarios that could be costly towards the end game."

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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:31 am

1/12/total: 8 donates. Net gain: +4

1/19 total: 12 donates. Net cost: -3

1/25 total: 1 donate. Net cost: 0

2/1 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -3

2/8 total: 6 donates. Net cost: -5

2/15 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -5

2/22 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -4

3/1 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -2

3/8 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/15 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/29 total: 2 donates. Net cost: -2

4/5 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -6

4/9 & 4/12 total: 10 donates. Net gain: +4

4/19 total: 2 donates, Net cost: -1

4/23 total: 5 donates, Net cost: -1

4/30 & 5/3 total: 8 donates, Net cost: -6

5/7 & 5/10 total: 6 donates, Net cost: -7

5/14 & 5/21 & 5/24 total: 10 donates, Net cost: 0

5/28 donates:


1)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Down 6-5, I donate vs the JH with no trump, one ace, and my team makes the point. Had I passed, S4 would've picked up, I would've lead the AD and my team would've ended up getting the euchre.

Net cost: -1

2)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 6-4 I donate vs the 9C with no trump + 1 off ace and get euchred. Had I passed S2 would've went alone and made 4 pts.

Net gain: +2

3)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 5-2 I donate with an unguarded Left + no aces and get euchred. Had I passed, S4 would've called and gotten 1 pt.

Net cost: -1

4)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 9-4, I donate vs the AH with one trump, no aces and my team makes the point for the win. Had I passed my P would've ordered from S3 and we would've won the game also.

Net cost: 0

Total 5/28 donates: 4, net cost: 0

Further cumulative breakdown: I'm gonna separate my donates into 3 categories: Up 2 or more donates referred to as up 2+, Up 1 or less donates referred to as up 1-, and up 9-6/9-7 donates. There will now be an additional vs a Jack upcard/vs a non-jack upcard breakdown.

1) Up 2+ donates: 50 total, Net cost: -10

2) Up 1- donates: 47 total, Net cost: -25

3) Up 9-6/9-7 donates: 6 total, Net cost: -4

4) Vs a Jack donates: 45 total, Net cost: -22

5) Donater has an off ace vs a Jack: 26 total, Net cost: -9

6) Donater has no off ace vs a Jack: 17 total, Net cost: -11

7) Donater has 2 low trump, no off aces vs Jack: 2 total, Net cost: -2

8) Vs a non-Jack donates: 52 total, Net cost: -13

9) No trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand vs non-Jack donates: 4 total, Net cost: -2


Cumulative up 2+ & up 1- donates: 97, Net cost: -35

Cumulative overall donates: 103, Net cost: -39

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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:25 am

1/12/total: 8 donates. Net gain: +4

1/19 total: 12 donates. Net cost: -3

1/25 total: 1 donate. Net cost: 0

2/1 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -3

2/8 total: 6 donates. Net cost: -5

2/15 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -5

2/22 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -4

3/1 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -2

3/8 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/15 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/29 total: 2 donates. Net cost: -2

4/5 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -6

4/9 & 4/12 total: 10 donates. Net gain: +4

4/19 total: 2 donates, Net cost: -1

4/23 total: 5 donates, Net cost: -1

4/30 & 5/3 total: 8 donates, Net cost: -6

5/7 & 5/10 total: 6 donates, Net cost: -7

5/14 & 5/21 & 5/24 total: 10 donates, Net cost: 0

5/28 total: 4 donates, net cost: 0


6/4 donates:

1)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 9-7, I donate vs the QH with 1 trump + 1 ace and get euchred. Had I passed, S4 would've tried alone but I would've stopped him with my AS.

Net cost: -1

2)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

3-3, I donate vs the TH with no trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand, and get euchred. Had I passed, Seat 2 would've called and I would've led the 9S and S2's team would've gotten a 2 pt march.

Net cost: 0

3)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Down 6-5, I donate vs the JC with 1 trump, no aces and get euchred. Had I passed, S4 would've went alone. I would've led the KH and my P would've trumped in to save the day.

Net cost: -1

4)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 4-0, I donate vs the AH with no trump, no aces and get euchred. Had I passed S4 goes alone and my P stops him with one of his off aces.

Net cost: -1

5)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 2-1, I donate vs the JC with 1 trump + 1 ace and get euchred. Had I passed, the 2 seat would've called and their team would've gotten 1 pt.

Net cost: -1

6)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 5-4, I donate vs the JH with 1 trump + 1 ace and get euchred. Had I passed S4 would've called and his team would've gotten 1 point.

Net cost: -1

7)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 8-6, I donate vs the KS with 1 trump, no aces, and get euchred. Had I passed S2 would've tried alone but my P was guarded.

Net cost: -1

Total 6/4 donates: 7, net cost: -6

Further cumulative breakdown: I'm gonna separate my donates into 3 categories: Up 2 or more donates referred to as up 2+, Up 1 or less donates referred to as up 1-, and up 9-6/9-7 donates. There will now be an additional vs a Jack upcard/vs a non-jack upcard breakdown.

1) Up 2+ donates: 52 total, Net cost: -12

2) Up 1- donates: 51 total, Net cost: -28

3) Up 9-6/9-7 donates: 7 total, Net cost: -5

4) Vs a Jack donates: 48 total, Net cost: -25

5) Donater has an off ace vs a Jack: 28 total, Net cost: -11

6) Donater has no off ace vs a Jack: 18 total, Net cost: -12

7) Donater has 2 low trump, no off aces vs Jack: 2 total, Net cost: -2

8) Vs a non-Jack donates: 55 total, Net cost: -15

9) No trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand vs non-Jack donates: 5 total, Net cost: -2


Cumulative up 2+ & up 1- donates: 103, Net cost: -40

Cumulative overall donates: 110, Net cost: -45

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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:57 am

1/12/total: 8 donates. Net gain: +4

1/19 total: 12 donates. Net cost: -3

1/25 total: 1 donate. Net cost: 0

2/1 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -3

2/8 total: 6 donates. Net cost: -5

2/15 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -5

2/22 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -4

3/1 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -2

3/8 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/15 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/29 total: 2 donates. Net cost: -2

4/5 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -6

4/9 & 4/12 total: 10 donates. Net gain: +4

4/19 total: 2 donates, Net cost: -1

4/23 total: 5 donates, Net cost: -1

4/30 & 5/3 total: 8 donates, Net cost: -6

5/7 & 5/10 total: 6 donates, Net cost: -7

5/14 & 5/21 & 5/24 total: 10 donates, Net cost: 0

5/28 total: 4 donates, net cost: 0

6/4 total: 7 donates, net cost: -6

6/11 total:


1)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 5-0, I donate vs the 9S with no trump + 1 ace and get euchred. Had I passed, S4 goes alone, but I stop him with my AC.

Net cost: -1

2)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 8-0, I donate vs the KS with 1 trump no aces and get euchred. Had I passed S4 goes alone and my P stops him with this off ace.

Net cost: -1

3)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 9-6, I donate vs the QD with no trump + 1 ace and get euchred. Had I passed, S2 would've called and they would've gotten 1 pt.

Net cost: -1

4)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Down 2-0, I donate vs the AC with no trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand and get euchred. Had I passed S2 goes alone but my P has the Right.

Net cost: -1

5)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 9-6, I donate vs the 9C with 2 trump no aces and get euchred. Had I passed S4 would've went alone but my P was guarded.

Net cost: -1

6)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 1-0, I donate vs the JD with 1 trump, no aces and get euchred. Had I passed S4 would've called and their team gets 1 pt.

Net cost: -1

7)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 8-5, I donate vs the KS with 1 trump + 1 ace and my team gets the point. Had I passed my P would've called from the 3S and I would've led trump and our team gets a 2 pt march if the hand is played well.

Net cost: -1

8)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

2-2, I donate vs the AC with no trump, no aces. Had I passed S4 calls and his team gets a point.

Net cost: -1

Total 6/11 donates: 8, net cost: -8

Further cumulative breakdown: I'm gonna separate my donates into 3 categories: Up 2 or more donates referred to as up 2+, Up 1 or less donates referred to as up 1-, and up 9-6/9-7 donates. There will now be an additional vs a Jack upcard/vs a non-jack upcard breakdown.

1) Up 2+ donates: 56 total, Net cost: -16

2) Up 1- donates: 53 total, Net cost: -30

3) Up 9-6/9-7 donates: 9 total, Net cost: -7

4) Vs a Jack donates: 49 total, Net cost: -26

5) Donater has an off ace vs a Jack: 28 total, Net cost: -11

6) Donater has no off ace vs a Jack: 19 total, Net cost: -13

7) Donater has 2 low trump, no off aces vs Jack: 2 total, Net cost: -2

8) Vs a non-Jack donates: 60 total, Net cost: -20

9) No trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand vs non-Jack donates: 6 total, Net cost: -3


Cumulative up 2+ & up 1- donates: 109, Net cost: -46

Cumulative overall donates: 118, Net cost: -53

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Unread post by Wes (aka the legend) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:11 am

1/12 total: 8 donates. Net gain: +4

1/19 total: 12 donates. Net cost: -3

1/25 total: 1 donate. Net cost: 0

2/1 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -3

2/8 total: 6 donates. Net cost: -5

2/15 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -5

2/22 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -4

3/1 total: 4 donates. Net cost: -2

3/8 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/15 total: 3 donates. Net cost: -1

3/29 total: 2 donates. Net cost: -2

4/5 total: 5 donates. Net cost: -6

4/9 & 4/12 total: 10 donates. Net gain: +4

4/19 total: 2 donates, Net cost: -1

4/23 total: 5 donates, Net cost: -1

4/30 & 5/3 total: 8 donates, Net cost: -6

5/7 & 5/10 total: 6 donates, Net cost: -7

5/14 & 5/21 & 5/24 total: 10 donates, Net cost: 0

5/28 total: 4 donates, net cost: 0

6/4 total: 7 donates, net cost: -6

6/11 total: 9 donates, net cost: -9

6/14 donates:


1)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Down 0-1 I donate vs the JS with no trump, no aces and my team makes a point. Had I passed it would've gotten passed around and I would've called diamonds and also made a point.

Net cost: 0

2)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

Up 7-2, I donate vs the JC with an unguarded Left + no aces and get euchred. Had I passed S4 would've called and gotten 1 pt.

Net cost: -1

Total 6/14 donates: 2, net cost: -1

Edit: forgot a donate from 6/11:

1)

https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D

I donate up 8-3 vs the KS with 1 trump no aces and get euchred. Had I passed seat 2 would've called and gotten 1 point.

Net cost: -1

Further cumulative breakdown: I'm gonna separate my donates into 3 categories: Up 2 or more donates referred to as up 2+, Up 1 or less donates referred to as up 1-, and up 9-6/9-7 donates. There will now be an additional vs a Jack upcard/vs a non-jack upcard breakdown.

1) Up 2+ donates: 58 total, Net cost: -18

2) Up 1- donates: 54 total, Net cost: -30

3) Up 9-6/9-7 donates: 9 total, Net cost: -7

4) Vs a Jack donates: 51 total, Net cost: -27

5) Donater has an off ace vs a Jack: 28 total, Net cost: -11

6) Donater has no off ace vs a Jack: 21 total, Net cost: -14

7) Donater has 2 low trump, no off aces vs Jack: 2 total, Net cost: -2

8) Vs a non-Jack donates: 61 total, Net cost: -21

9) No trump, no aces, no 2nd rd hand vs non-Jack donates: 6 total, Net cost: -3


Cumulative up 2+ & up 1- donates: 112, Net cost: -48

Cumulative overall donates: 121, Net cost: -55

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