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Showing your partner where you can help
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:10 am
by mmny
When i was learning this game many years ago, I was taught to show my partner, as soon as I know, the non-trump suit I planned on keeping until the end. Is that a thing? I know players naturally do that if they have an A, but what about K/10/9?
Re: Showing your partner where you can help
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:20 pm
by irishwolf
I suppose you are talking about Loners but was not specific. If so, then I think you have it backwards. It is very difficult to impossible to show what you are saving if it is a singleton or doubleton. So on loner defense you slough what you are NOT going to save asap and you partner saves that suit if possible.
In regular play, you have to follow suit so your comment hardly applies.
Re: Showing your partner where you can help
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:36 pm
by mmny
I am using this on offense( P ordered) and defense, and against a loner. If I can help my P in a suit, or tell them what suit I am covering, without hurting my hand I'll show that at my first chance to throw off. Maybe it is not a thing. I have never read it. Maybe that is why no one wants to play with me!! This is euchre so there is no always or never, it is the rational behind a play that is correct or not.
Re: Showing your partner where you can help
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:47 pm
by irishwolf
I am not sure what you are asking? I will say that first priority is to slough singleton off suit to create a void so you can trump that suit. So how in the world does this tell you partner you are keeping that suit to the end? It makes no sense and besides if your partner does not know what you are doing how can it be helpful (very confusing - DON'T FOOL YOUR PARTNER).
The only example I know of that relates to what you are saying is when you have Ace/King combo. You slough the Ace to signal you have the King. However, even that can be an issue because the opponents will avoid playing that suit.
So if you want information, give examples!
~Irishwolf
Re: Showing your partner where you can help
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:23 am
by mmny
First, thank you for the discussion.
one easy example
H is trump
you have As,9s,9d,10d,Qd
H or d lead you play 9s
H T
you have As,Qs, Ad,10d,10c
Trump lead
pick your A and keep till the end unless future cards shown changes that
make that first slough a thing
If you watch your play with that in mind you will see you have one per game
I know it is far between that it can help, but if your P knows you do that when you can, it may help them to decide which K to save for last card. I can't see where it would hurt
I want to be a good partner and want to make every card I play valuable
If it is not a thing known in the expert world then I can't be upset when my P doesn't read the play
Re: Showing your partner where you can help
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:35 pm
by irishwolf
You example with AS + 9S, either one will hurt you playing the AS more often than help. When spades is led and trumped while you sloughed 9S you AS does not win a trick. You lose your option to guard you AS when you slough it too soon as opposed to sloughing something to create a void. I might be the master of creating "conventions" and this is not one of them. Nor any good euchre players to my knowledge even try to use this for the reasons already mentioned, i. e. creating voids is the first priority and clashes with this.
As discussed I see far more issues in trying to communicate this way that includes loners or regular play.
But good luck with it.
Re: Showing your partner where you can help
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:51 am
by mmny
Found my answer to my first example in lesson #4 ( I didn't think I had to read the non advanced lessons ). I only add that you have to strongly consider holding that tell until the end.
Re: Showing your partner where you can help
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:18 pm
by Wes (aka the legend)