irishwolf wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:57 pm
Is it possible to make someone panic? This occurred on Tuesday for a euchre:
9D UP S2 ASSISTS - diamonds is trump.
TKS 1 2 3 4 5
S1 QH JS AC KC 9H
S2 9S JD QC TD AD
S3 KH JH 9C QD QS
D4 TH 9D TS KS AS
So it begs the question(s):
This hand is too difficult to talk about with a video of the hand so here it is:
https://worldofcardgames.com/#!replayer ... %3A1%7D%5D
irishwolf wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:57 pm
1)
Should you always go 2nd hand low? PONE stripes the dealer of his only trump (and eldest has none, lol).
First off, Seat 1 leads the QH (edit) instead of his off AC. I agree with this line, with a tripleton green ace, I'd rather hold it back and hope to make it good later after trump has been led. I have no hard data backing up this preference and I'd be very interested to see if others agree or disagree with me and why.
After 1st Seat leads the QH (edit), I'm always playing off on this card from this configuration. I'm not gonna risk getting overtrumped on the first lead, a risk that goes up with a Next lead. Plus the maker just called for a reason. He presumably may need his partner's help. His partner is more likely to be able to help on a garbage heart lead than in spades or clubs given that we already know that Seat 1 doesn't have the AH. That's vital information we need to take advantage of, so the Maker should throw off the 9S on the first lead which he did.
irishwolf wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:57 pm
2) If you have commanding cards do you lead trump again (what was 2nd seat thinking)?
IDK what the 2 seat was thinking but of course I would love to speculate!
The 2 seat has to seriously worry about whether the 3rd seat holds the last 2 trump (KdQd). The fact that the 3rd seat led the Left on the 2nd lead does positively correlate with the 3 seat starting out with 3 trump given that the vast majority of players are not leading with Left + 1 in this spot for fear of breaking up their guarded left. So 3rd Seat's line mostly correlates with having just 1 trump or 3 trump. If the 3rd seat started with 3 trump, then the Maker should lead the QC on the third trick attempting to set up an end play. And if the 3rd seat started out with 1 trump, just the Left, then leading the QC on the 3rd trick will not hurt the maker either. The maker only gets burned by this line when a parlay occurs:
1) Third Seat started out with 2 trump, and
2) The First Seat wins the Club trick putting the Maker in an FU squeeze spot.
Even those times the 3rd seat has just 1 trump left, and thus leading the QC on the 3rd trick is not ideal, we can still escape if our partner has the boss club or the last trump (KD) and trumps in.
irishwolf wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:57 pm
3) How would you play this hand at 2nd seat?
I would actually play this hand the same as the Maker every street, and hate my life afterwards when I see the cards.
irishwolf wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:57 pm
4) Or is this just SHIT HAPPENS?
~Irishwolf
What ultimately happened here is 3rd Seat made a world class play and put the Maker in a tough spot, and hindsight-wise the Maker choose wrongly. That's what strong players do. They put their enemy in tough spots. And BTW this is a world class play that virtually no one on this board understands well evidenced by the fact that so many people argued against your Right lead in that one thread:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=277
Even tho your math was extremely compelling and all the other side had was weak generalizations and platitudes backing their views up. People don't really understand that a big advantage of a 2 seat Maker is always having a partner who is guaranteed to have a trump + a void. So they don't see the value of blowing that advantage up, which is what you did in both hands.