jblowery wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:33 pm
Let's say the upward is
ie an average card. What do you need to have at a minimum to order that up?
For all recommendations assume score is 0-0.
1) Right + 1 and nothing else is a must order. E.G:
If you have everything blocked I think it's close but I'm still ordering with:
I don't pass Right + 1 unless I have a euchre hand (everything blocked + approx 2 tricks in every suit.
2) I think Left + 1 + an off Ace is a must order when you only block 1 out of the 3 remaining 2nd rd suits. E.G:
If you have a stopper hand (block all suits) then pass with Left + 1 and an off ace. If you block 2 out of the 3 remaining suits (which will usually mean you also have a place to go in the 2nd rd I think it's close between passing and calling. I usually pass, but I'm not sure about it. E.G.
You have a place to go in the 2nd round (spades), and you have a next call in big trouble. I usually pass in that spot. This becomes an even better pass if Seat 1 calls next aggressively, probably a mandatory pass in that case. If your team is up 9-5 tho, call this in the first round. Don't take any chances when you don't block all suits and you have a decent chance to close out and getting euchred is no big deal up 9-5. Same deal if you have a big lead, call this. At 0-0, I'm passing. If someone advocated for calling this hand at 0-0, I wouldn't argue with them. I think it's close.
3) This hand is a call or a loner imo:
It's arguably the best spot to run this 1 trump loner play given that by being in the 2 seat you get to take out your P's trump. Knowing a trump is out of play is probably more important than having the lead with this hand. If down 9-6 this is a MUST loner. At 0-0 I think it's at least a MUST call, and I would never fault my P if he went alone.
4) This hand is right out on the edge, but I always wonder about it. Say you have:
I suspect that 2 non-bower + 2 off aces may be an order from the 2 spot when you block nothing, but I really don't know. I've talked to Edward (tbolt) about this hand and he says it's not an order if your partner is competent, and I'm just not sure. This call will certainly block your P's loner more than you'd like but I think it's possible that cost is overrated. At the very least, if youre playing with some random on your phone odds are your P is not very good which pushes this hand into the order category most of the time. Also remember you have to loosen up at certain scores when you can close out like say your team is up 9-6. Now you gotta order this up no matter what the nature of your P is. You block nothing in the 2nd round and you have a decent chance to win the game now and a euchre isn't catastrophic. Go for it. Don't allow any 2nd round shenanigans in that spot. Same if youre up say 8-5. You don't even have to worry about blocking your P's loner at that score.
4) Another edge hand I wonder about, say you have just the Right + 2 aces but you block nothing in the 2nd round:
I think this is at least a call at 0-0 if your partner isn't that good. With a competent partner it's much closer. Just remember tho that this is a MUST call up 9-6/8-5.
Example of 2 seat hands that become a call at say up 9-5 or up 8-3:
You're team still has 3 guaranteed trump + a void from your P so it's not hopeless, just need a little bit more luck to pull this off. I'm not taking the risk of letting this hand get to the 2nd rd. Too dangerous to me. Better to gamble in the first round and remember a euchre isn't that costly at those scores.