Wes (aka the legend) wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:19 pm
Let's do one controversial example of what I would do in Seat 3, 1st round just for fun:
Score is 0-0. Dealer upcard is a
The action is on me and I have
I'm passing this hand ALL DAY and here's why.
1) If I pass and the dealer picks up, my team now has a great chance to set him.
2) If I pass and the dealer passes, my hand hits my partner well enough no matter what he calls. If he calls next I have 3 aces to help him including 2 singleton green aces. If he crosses the river, I still have 2 off aces to help his cause.
3) I have no bowers in my hand. This is important, not becuz I wish I had bowers, no it's more subtle than that. When I have no bowers in my hand there is a greater than normal chance my partner is sitting on a 2nd round loner those times the dealer passes. Also, when I have no bowers in my hand there is a greater than normal chance the dealer picks up despite the fact that I have 3 trump. Both these potential outcomes are awesome for my team. I don't wanna mess up this favorable dynamic by calling.
I remember reading this post in April or May and relegating it to, "this is too advanced for me." But 6-7 months later I see the logic to Wes' points. From a basic approach, having 3 trump and 2 green aces is a hand to call, even from Seat 3. My BPS-Basic concludes that the hand is 2 notches better than minimum for calling. But the analysis is based on calling to earn 1 point and ignores the potential of Dealer ordering (an excellent chance of earning 2 points by euchring the dealer) as well as, my hand providing excellent support for Partner calling Next! Even if Partner calls Reverse-Next, my aces should make me good for 1 trick, or more, to support Partner!
Some of my new-found wisdom is football season related! Passing is equivalent to punting on 4th down and pinning Opponent inside the 10 yard line. If Opponent goes for the block, (Picks up), I have the opportunity for a roughing the punter call, and a 1st down! If Opponent play it safe (Dealer passes), we have the opportunity to gain possession with good field position. This is equivalent to Partner, Seat 1, calling!
I have a "Power" defensive hand (great confidence in my defense). In euchre only 3 cards (out of 24 are not in play) so you should always play to strengths in your hand and/or Partner's hand. I am rooting for the Gators vs. the Dawgs as I type this out! My conclusion is, pass, play defense, it is my strength.
Lets add in Wes' direction if you have "Euchre hands" or blocking hands. My 30,000 foot view is, if you have Jacks or Aces in your hand,, then you are significantly better off passing than ordering.
If we go back to jblowery's original hand:
and the upcard is
, would you order from S3?
I would pass, unless the score overrides passing. The BPS is 2.25. It is short of 2.50 needed if you trust Partner to lead a trump. It is 2 quanta short if you can't count on Partner to lead trump.
My conclusion, if I have Aces or Jacks, I am going to be more successful passing (than calling) from S3!
Of course, there are exceptions, 4 trump, 5 trump, RLA,
and 2 suited
but they are a tiny percentage of possibilities.