Spade King up - Bidding Point System (BPS) - Basic
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:26 pm
Up, Score 8-8, Average & equal players
Your hand in Seat 2
Do you call & risk euchre?
Your hand in Seat 2
Do you call & risk euchre?
This is an absolute MUST call. If your partner passes you pretty much have a dead hand in the 2nd round. The possibility of Seat 1 closing out the game with a call goes up significantly when you have such a garbage holding in the 2nd round. Spades is clearly your team's best chance. Your team has 4 out of 7 trump. Gotta order that strong of a hand at ANY score. IOW, the risk of passing is higher than the risk of calling.Richardb02 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:26 pmUp, Score 8-8, Average & equal players
Your hand in Seat 2
Do you call & risk euchre?
I agree, but I still had to go through m doubts. Here is what went through my mind. Does anyone else experience these doubts?Wes (aka the legend) wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:39 pmThis is an absolute MUST call. If your partner passes you pretty much have a dead hand in the 2nd round. The possibility of Seat 1 closing out the game with a call goes up significantly when you have such a garbage holding in the 2nd round. Spades is clearly your team's best chance. Your team has 4 out of 7 trump. Gotta order that strong of a hand at ANY score. IOW, the risk of passing is higher than the risk of calling.Richardb02 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:26 pmUp, Score 8-8, Average & equal players
Your hand in Seat 2
Do you call & risk euchre?
Agree with Wes. While it is possible to be euchred here (I got euchred while holding four trump, one of which was the left, last night, for example), it's rare and you really have nothing else here so you have to call. The fact that you're putting a trump in your partner's hand helps too because he can create a void. So really, unless your opponents literally have all of the remaining trump and an ace or two, you're not going to be euchred here. This is your best chance and remember that your opponents have next deal with a ~70% chance of winning a point. So you have to make the call here.Wes (aka the legend) wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:39 pmThis is an absolute MUST call. If your partner passes you pretty much have a dead hand in the 2nd round. The possibility of Seat 1 closing out the game with a call goes up significantly when you have such a garbage holding in the 2nd round. Spades is clearly your team's best chance. Your team has 4 out of 7 trump. Gotta order that strong of a hand at ANY score. IOW, the risk of passing is higher than the risk of calling.Richardb02 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:26 pmUp, Score 8-8, Average & equal players
Your hand in Seat 2
Do you call & risk euchre?
There is an exception to the above however. Before the game you and your partner could form an agreement that IF they are the dealer and have the Right bower up they will always pick it up no matter what when their team is down 9-6 9-7, 8-6. In those situations this allows seat 2 to always pass unless he has a loner, which crucially means Seat 2 will never have to worry about accidently blocking their partners game winning loner. This strategy is of course null and void if a pro is in seat 1 since he'll always donate if he doesn't have a loner sweep stopped, but only like 1 out of 100 people even do that.
So for example if your team is down 9-6, and your partner the dealer has the up.
And you have
Now you would pass with that agreement in place.
But what about if there is no agreement? What if your partner is a very strong player who will go alone on anything viable to try to win the game, All 2 trump loners and even the 1 trump loners, he's going for it. And your partner has many hand combos where he'll pick up if all he has is the Right anyways. Would it not be best to pass this 3 low trump hand down 9-6 hoping your partner can win the game with one of those hail mary loners? I suspect that's the case but we're talking about a very rare permutation here. Out of the thousands of partners I've had thanks to online, I can count on 1 hand how many players are THAT strong, and even if you have that magical partner, if seat 1 donates it's all moot.